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Los Angeles will end use of coal-fired power

Reuters.com -- Thu Jul 2, 2009 4:33pm EDT
By Bernie Woodall

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Los Angeles will eliminate the use of electricity made from coal by 2020, replacing it with power from cleaner renewable energy sources, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said.

"LADWP will deliver 40 percent renewable power, with the remainder coming from natural gas, nuclear, and large hydroelectric," said Villaraigosa.

Coal and natural gas-fired power now account for 76 percent of the electricity delivered by the LADWP. By 2020, the LADWP expects to cut its carbon emissions by up to 60 percent from 1990 levels, according to the mayor's office.

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jjjleblanc Champion Author Rochester Posts:4,354 Points:1,101,450 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 3:59:13 PM Ignore jjjleblanc Report Abuse I suprised the story didn't stop at Los Angeles will eliminate the use of electricity.
car253 Champion Author Ohio Posts:4,196 Points:1,033,215 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 1:12:59 PM Ignore car253 Report Abuse We will all pay for Californians mistakes.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:15,279 Points:1,144,250 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:31:22 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse as for changing over, it's a start to clean up. Gotta start somewhere. As Confucious said, a journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:15,279 Points:1,144,250 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:21:14 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse RoadKing95: I guess someone's gotta be the scapegoat? Right now it's California. Next time it may be someone else...
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:15,279 Points:1,144,250 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:20:24 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse hope it will help w/ the famous L.A. smog.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:15,279 Points:1,144,250 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:19:40 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse Wishing everyone a happy and safe 4th of July and thank you to all military folks who make another safe one possible.
RoadKing95 Champion Author San Jose Posts:17,827 Points:3,138,290 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 4:50:30 PM Ignore RoadKing95 Report Abuse Jarod13 from Virginia wrote; >>How in the world are Californian's going to pay for this? I guess the rest of the country will be paying for Californian's to get their electric power by means other than by coal and natural gas-fired power.<< Hmmm... Do some research. Wait I already did. Check out this link Tax Data Virginians pay a dollar in federal taxes and get $1.51 back in aid. California on the other hand pays a dollar and gets back 78 cents. I will be crying a river for you when we all wake up and stop using your coal. We need Nuclear power right now. I'm hoping Obama and company will see it sooner rather than later.
RoadKing95 Champion Author San Jose Posts:17,827 Points:3,138,290 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 4:32:18 PM Ignore RoadKing95 Report Abuse All the California bashing is tiresome. People from places like New Jersey and Cleveland don't have room to talk about dirty air. The air in LA is not great, but if they had a per capita chart of the dirtiest cities I'd bet LA would not be at the top. I looked for charts on pollution, and Pittsburgh,PA held the top spot. I was surprised because I remember when I was young and lived very close that you could hardly breathe there. I think it is vastly improved. And Cleveland was pretty much the same as far as air quality, and what about Lake Erie? You couldn't even swim or eat the fish back then. Didn't they have a river that caught fire from all the pollution?
clement007 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:4,811 Points:1,387,200 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:30:54 PM Ignore clement007 Report Abuse No wonder these idiots are going bankrupt!
Joeski1 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:6,791 Points:1,276,885 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 9:11:55 AM Ignore Joeski1 Report Abuse This IS a great idea.. I hope their lungs can wait tha long.... they must get bus and truck emissions contained as well... black carbon (soot)is a life ending problem... then all we have to do is figure out what to do with Nuke waste... Oyster Creek Nj (Lacy Twp) is still leaking radioactive Trituim into ground water from an unspecified location....(though they are "containing" it... great!!! now clean it up and dispose of it!!!) Wonder what's going on @ all the nuke plants???
spiderjay Champion Author Little Rock Posts:3,304 Points:959,005 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 2:00:26 AM Ignore spiderjay Report Abuse 2020 WOW I WATCHED THAT AS A KID. PERSONALLY I THINKS ITS A SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE FOOT KINDA THING
Jarod13 Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,470 Points:1,051,280 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:41:02 PM Ignore Jarod13 Report Abuse How in the world are Californian's going to pay for this? I guess the rest of the country will be paying for Californian's to get their electric power by means other than by coal and natural gas-fired power. I'm sure President Obama didn't mean to raise our taxes or did he? He's finding new ways every day to raise our taxes by passing health care, financial and automobile bailoutgs, etc...not a day goes by that he hasn't come up with a new way of raising our taxes.
WP62 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:17,925 Points:1,607,540 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:40:22 PM Ignore WP62 Report Abuse Easy enough to make the statement, but where are they going to get 40% of their power from renewable sources? Looks like they buy all of their power from out of state, so they will have to have someone else build the facilities. If this doesn't happen, then they can say "I was going to do it, but it wasn't available."
OilBGone Champion Author New Jersey Posts:6,555 Points:1,251,800 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:39:27 PM Ignore OilBGone Report Abuse Seems like a no-brainer, and they should have done this a long time ago. What the hell is wrong with these Angelenos? Do they like smog?
JoeKR Champion Author New Jersey Posts:7,254 Points:1,416,835 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:37:30 PM Ignore JoeKR Report Abuse By 2020 Las Angelinos will have developed gills.
kelsielee Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,389 Points:672,025 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:35:22 PM Ignore kelsielee Report Abuse Are any other cities setting ambitious energy goals like LA is?
taximan007 Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:9,940 Points:1,581,380 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:34:03 PM Ignore taximan007 Report Abuse Nuclear in earthquake prone California? Oh boy. ======================== Japan is very earthquake prone too and they get almost all their electricity from nuclear power. It can be done, just have to spend more to make the reactor core housing much stronger and more durable than in places where earthquakes aren't common. [Edited by: taximan007 at 7/2/2009 11:34:26 PM EST]
ChiKid Champion Author Denver Posts:1,858 Points:518,270 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:33:42 PM Ignore ChiKid Report Abuse Clean air is still considerably more expensive, but you have to be able to afford it.
jmuse Champion Author Long Island Posts:2,219 Points:445,370 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:26:23 PM Ignore jmuse Report Abuse I don't see the downside.
billsandi Champion Author Lexington Posts:7,572 Points:1,408,225 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:26:10 PM Ignore billsandi Report Abuse Why does LA think coal was used in the first place. My conjecture is that it was cheaper, so here goes more money out of the consumers pockets.
DosEquis26 Champion Author Chicago Posts:3,769 Points:1,543,640 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:23:20 PM Ignore DosEquis26 Report Abuse good for L.A.
NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:3,326 Points:696,525 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:10:05 PM Ignore NedW Report Abuse OB said he'd hurt the coal industry when he was campaigning. He has lots of help, apparently.
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:13,686 Points:1,906,420 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:00:55 PM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse this guy wont be mayor long
coke_kid Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,345 Points:295,315 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:58:41 PM Ignore coke_kid Report Abuse Great! this will raise your taxes...
TomT2Lee Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,817 Points:1,169,170 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:54:33 PM Ignore TomT2Lee Report Abuse How many hundreds of millions is California behind in their budget? Hope Californians like sitting in the dark.
cincidap Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,575 Points:694,250 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:54:28 PM Ignore cincidap Report Abuse Pathetic drones.
arnerator Champion Author Seattle Posts:5,826 Points:1,156,735 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:53:38 PM Ignore arnerator Report Abuse Good, if they really do it.
Bat99 Veteran Author Denver Posts:371 Points:132,875 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:51:36 PM Ignore Bat99 Report Abuse California will not use nuclear power as a replacement for coal. The tree huggers will protest to loud. They will simply try making Nevada provide all the electricity they need. That way Nevada will have the big carbon footprint and California will be cleaner.
sillywagon Champion Author New York Posts:10,841 Points:1,006,070 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:47:10 PM Ignore sillywagon Report Abuse 2020 is not very far away. This plan is overambitious. Are the people who won't have jobs the place where LA is going to get the additional cost of paying for electricity from. I hate to be negative much of the time... but try telling your boss or customers that you need a raise because of increased electric costs. This is going to cost jobs in Los Angeles.
eights Champion Author Ohio Posts:2,085 Points:575,025 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:42:58 PM Ignore eights Report Abuse good but it will cost fuel to rise at least thats what they will tell us.
Bleeder Champion Author Virginia Posts:6,143 Points:1,270,680 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:40:55 PM Ignore Bleeder Report Abuse Great for LA. Caliornia has always been one of teh tree-hugging leading states.
Lou08 All-Star Author California Posts:874 Points:202,385 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:38:03 PM Ignore Lou08 Report Abuse We need to get off coal fired power plants(pollition kills prople)and go on to atomic power plants. It's good to see a major US city wise up!
mdegug Champion Author Rochester Posts:1,068 Points:414,360 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:29:52 PM Ignore mdegug Report Abuse who cares
mach1lives Veteran Author Riverside Posts:254 Points:880,010 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:22:39 PM Ignore mach1lives Report Abuse I think that it should end sooner.
bigmaninarig Champion Author St. Louis Posts:3,142 Points:563,645 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:19:27 PM Ignore bigmaninarig Report Abuse They have several wind farms that I have personally witnessed.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,988 Points:768,755 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:18:51 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse CUBBUC from Florida... WOW! You really have a hard++ for the State and people of CA! Think you could ratchet that back a notch Dude? Remember, it is their State and their decisions which only may work for them. You don't live there, and You aren't paying for it...so cool your jets! Seems like eliminating Coal sourced electricity maybe an excellent move if we and CA are ever going to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels. Have you bought stock in Coal Mines? [Edited by: LetemEatCake at 7/2/2009 10:21:14 PM EST]
kruk Champion Author London Posts:2,996 Points:349,325 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:13:58 PM Ignore kruk Report Abuse why not to use solar garden lights made in china instead
fuelconscious Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:2,082 Points:538,870 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:09:08 PM Ignore fuelconscious Report Abuse here in southern california wind and solar is the best solution to cleaner energy. We have plenty of sunshine and wind year round.
grandamgt1 All-Star Author Illinois Posts:528 Points:796,060 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:01:52 PM Ignore grandamgt1 Report Abuse ha, lol @ dhnBUG, was thinking the same, although i do think nationwide its a much better alternative to the 'wind' and 'solar' ideas that have cropped up lately.
dhnbBUG Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:2,625 Points:1,097,110 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:00:33 PM Ignore dhnbBUG Report Abuse Nuclear in earthquake prone California? Oh boy.
mreMN Veteran Author Twin Cities Posts:430 Points:190,195 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:51:03 PM Ignore mreMN Report Abuse This sounds like the right thing to do, but Nuclear can never be too good.
indium Rookie Author Florida Posts:4 Points:5,355 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:48:23 PM Ignore indium Report Abuse Should have done what France did back in the 70's after the Oil Embargo: Build Nuclear power plants, they built 56. Nuclear power produces 87% of all their electricity. They actually sell 18% to other EU nations. They have some of the lowest utility costs in Europe. Of course they embrace nuclear power and not fear it like we do in the U.S. They have the mindset that they will store/monitor the nuclear waste until at such time when new technology makes the waste inert (They don't care if it's 20 years down the road). Wow! what a novel idea!! Clean energy at a low price!! Should have done it back in the 70's What's sad about it, they used our nuclear technology!! [Edited by: indium at 7/2/2009 9:49:47 PM EST]
kellerman Champion Author Maine Posts:3,664 Points:1,018,630 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:47:03 PM Ignore kellerman Report Abuse nucear power
FordF2502001 Champion Author Mississippi Posts:5,693 Points:1,156,690 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:46:17 PM Ignore FordF2502001 Report Abuse exactly by 2020, who cares
seville04 Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:5,455 Points:1,607,520 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:44:49 PM Ignore seville04 Report Abuse Yes, that's great. It's still 11 years away.
mike911 Champion Author Detroit Posts:6,319 Points:1,693,080 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:42:03 PM Ignore mike911 Report Abuse 2020 is a long time from now!
EZExit Champion Author Phoenix Posts:6,753 Points:1,243,340 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:37:29 PM Ignore EZExit Report Abuse Great! Who's paying for it? Last I heard California was a week away from bankruptcy. Is it a federal project that I and everyone else in the other 49 states will have to pay for to reinforce California's inability to properly manage their budget?
w4kh Champion Author Riverside Posts:9,321 Points:1,763,375 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:34:58 PM Ignore w4kh Report Abuse Funny how people would rather breathe smoggy air, loaded with carcinogens, than pay at the pump and on the electric bill for clean air...
Art48 Champion Author Sacramento Posts:2,586 Points:96,255 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:33:38 PM Ignore Art48 Report Abuse Those of you who support "Clean Coal" should volunteer to take the byproduct "Fly Ash" a known carcinogen and spread it in your yards for your children to play in, and live near enough to the plants to get daily doses of the acid fumes produced. I'm sure you will be happy with your lowre electric bills offsetting your higher heath costs.
kruk Champion Author London Posts:2,996 Points:349,325 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:29:27 PM Ignore kruk Report Abuse wow, looks like they have more money then know what to do with them - or they are just bankrupt because they didn't know how to use common sense in first place - it is interesting - we will hear it again