traindude
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 10:45:48 AM
the cycle repeats over & over. its sad and avoidable. maybe there should be ads during the winter months reminding people how to avoid this accident, maybe it should be a required test answer on all licences issued and maybe there should be signs posted at every gas pump. and cell phones have nothing to do with these accidents.
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jedintheshed
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 10:36:04 AM
So sad
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TJC47
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 8:46:26 AM
These vehciles sould be equipped a grounding strap!
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skybiker
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 8:44:05 AM
Jeff4u, You are so misguided. Police radios produce 5 times the energy of cell phones. Each of our 400 cars is fueled at least 2 times a day as well. So, in 30 years of driving police cars and talking on portable radios never once has their been a fueling fire at my department. This is not a risk.
This is all a bunch of junk science. Cell phones don't produce static electricity, friction does. Usually in cars with fabric interiors.
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ENORMS
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 6:19:39 AM
If the vehicle ignites while fueling, do not pull the nozzle out!!
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Powerstroke73L
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 1:38:00 AM
Diesel won't ignite from a spark so I don't worry anyway but I've always kinda figured that when I'm at a station and I'm pumping fuel, I'm going to devote 5 minutes of my life to pumping the fuel and I can do it without having a phone stuck to my ear.
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CruisinLinda
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 1:33:22 AM
What does a "vapor recovery device" look like? Gasoline vapors are explosive. They do, after all, blow out heavy pistons from cylinders and power a few tons of a motor vehicle. Watch the nearby sparks from static electricity, even from cell phones in use. Children in car seats are especially vulnerable.
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OnTheWater
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 1:29:10 AM
Scary!! This is becoming more common. I have heard of a lot of cases like this. I was getting gas one time and talking to my good friend and he said to hang up and call me back when I was done pumping gas and I was like what? Why?? So now I don't use my phone while pumping gas. And I usually do touch my car or truck first to ground myself. So fuel for thought touch your car 1st before pumping gas and hang up that cell phone!!!
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linga115
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 1:22:59 AM
ground yourself and dont pull out the hose
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genef01
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 1:19:55 AM
That's the reason you see the signs at most pumps today requiring the person pumping the gas to stay at the pump. I see a lot of folks start the pump and get back inside the car with it running, winter or summer, keeping cool or warm. I also see a lot of people using their cell phones while standing there pumping even though there is also a sign to leave electronic devices and cell phones inside the vehicle while the gas is pumping. People just don't know or care for their own personal safety at times like that.
I do know from work experience(CSX Transportation) that at least one employee was severely burned in the South Florida area while fueling a signal department truck at a self-serve pump while talking to his supervisor on the cell phone. CSX then came out with a Safety Rule for all departments that prohibited the use of cell-phones or walkie-talkies while fueling any company vehicles. This happened in the mid '90s.
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vulcan96
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 1:13:49 AM
not much info in the article !
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Retowered
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 1:13:48 AM
Cell phones can cause a fire also.
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GMVAN
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 1:12:45 AM
I thought the pump handle was rubber coated to prevent static electricity.
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cheapertvs
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 1:06:44 AM
Normally static electricity comes up as an issue where there is no vapor recovery system. Some very old pumps are not equipped with such systems.
Still, it is not mentioned in the article whether or not the engine was running when the man was filling his tank.
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pbc2001
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 1:01:03 AM
Who knows what tomorrow will bring.
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EcoVore
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:59:44 AM
How tragic! Thank the Lord most pumps are vapor recovery types.
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gougenator
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:58:16 AM
so i guess thats why they make the nozzles cut off when you let go of the trigger so they cannot leave the gas running while they are away from the vehicle or get inside of it (but people cram the gascap in there to hold it on!)
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CobraLeader
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:54:28 AM
Self Service of gasoline is ILLEGAL in New Jersey.
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gougenator
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:54:24 AM
DONT GET IN YOUR CAR WHILE FUELING! it HAPPENS
i did once BUT i touched the car before i went over to pullout the fuel nozzle (ground yourself to the car AND concrete/ground before touching the pump/nozzle! to be sure)
[Edited by: gougenator at 3/10/2010 1:55:16 AM EST]
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RENEGADEGAS
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:51:35 AM
I dont know about PA. but if you read the pump warnings, it says to touch your vehicle to discharge static before pumping. Just follow the directions. Further, what does this story have to do with prices?
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otto_drommo
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:50:23 AM
An interesting repost-JettaKnight: I didn't see Mythbusters, but this a for more common occurrence than people realize. When I younger, people around here would install static strips on there vehicles just for this purpose. Always taught to leave your hand on the pump or 'discharge' yourself before touching it again. In the previous post someone mentioned they use a clothing static guard during the winter months. Cell phones are another big no-no.
Every few years these are caught on tape. Static Electricity Gas Explosion at Gas Pump
[Edited by: otto_drommo at 3/10/2010 1:54:39 AM EST]
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Jeff4U
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:48:23 AM
I know one thing for sure ... when I get out of my car, a 2 inch mini-lightning bolt jolts me when I close the door. Also, I think people are complete IDIOTS who pump gas while on the cell phone. May they soon burn in hell at the pump.
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EVBuddy
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:46:40 AM
That happened days ago. His Cell phone was at home, Car keys in his pocket.
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visitor_2
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:46:04 AM
Quite possible
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benjy
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:45:45 AM
Guess my science teacher was'nt kidding.......
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sjambok
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:41:28 AM
Static electricity is everywhere. There are warnings that say not to go in your car while pumping fuel. Most ppl do. It's just the mentality. I don't anymore. Too much risk. I cringe when someone "lights up" at a station (yes ,they do do that in Tennessee.. i've seen it with my own eyes)
Just stay outside. The stuff is flammable.
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safetycaptain
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:41:07 AM
Even more shocking when I was asked if I could light someones cigarette while she was pumping gas, I looked at her and asked if she wanted to be the headlines of the news that I didn't .
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grouch311
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:40:31 AM
there going to outlaw filling your own tank pretty soon
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WhiteTreeIndian
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:36:45 AM
While tragic, that can happen anywhere and its supposedly the cause for that jet liner that blew up off LI years ago.
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Ply440GTX
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:35:55 AM
I wonder if the patron "freaked" and tried to pull the nozzle out while still pumping fuel??? I saw the video on the woman who did that and burned up. The nozzle's held open with the detent, it caught fire and she pulled the nozzle out feeding the flames with fuel... A scary, sad event nonetheless. The "full article" leaves a lot to the imagination...
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greenfog
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:33:40 AM
static electricity can cause all kinds of problems and though it is not lightning by any means it is just as unpredictable as where and when it will show up.
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ops3
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:31:41 AM
And some people still claim this can't happen!
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pattie09
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:22:50 AM
THEY DON'T GIVE ALOT OF INFO ABOUT HOW IT HAPPENED !!! SORRY TO HEAR THAT HE DIED THOUGH !
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coughlin
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:19:51 AM
OK, maybe it happen like they said. But I'd still like to read a good explanation of EXACTLY what happen and what has led them to that conclusion. Maybe its a privacy issue.
"A gas station equipment expert says the only other fatality from a static-generated fire was in Oklahoma more than a decade ago."
Then this incident was somewhere in the 1 in the billions?
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furiousfowl
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:13:50 AM
thats too bad, people need to be more careful
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jadeusa
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:12:24 AM
Most people that fill up their tank ignore the posting about not entering your car after starting to pump your gas. You just have to freeze while the
gas is being pumped for safety sake.
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roadrunnerMO
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:11:30 AM
Bad scene. See folks smoking when pumping gas and I just walk away shaking my head.
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ashishpa
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:09:55 AM
I never thought static could cause such big accident.
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TPlayer
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:08:57 AM
Lol, nice Bubba44612...
JoeKR... I don't like NJ No Self Serve policy... most of the people in New Jersey then have no idea what to do if they ever venture across the state line and they create more of a hazard to themselves and everyone else because they don't know how to work a gas pump... I've seen these people try and it's a pathetic sight... what do you NJ people do when you leave the state?... ask the cashier to leave the store and wait on you hand and foot to come pump for you like you're royalty?
I can understand a fire starting, but not someone dying... people dump gas on yard waste all the time and get engulfed in a fire ball but run out with little more that singed eyebrows... there is more to this story
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250FORD
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:08:24 AM
What a way to go.
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defcon7
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:07:40 AM
That's gotta suck big time!
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cutter1330
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:04:56 AM
That's one tuff thing to happen.
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scrounger
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:04:18 AM
pumped and saw pumped millions of gallons of gas when I managed service stations and never ever saw static sparks
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Gary65
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:00:39 AM
I forgot about those Darwin award, haven't seen them in quite some time.
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bobdec
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2010 12:00:10 AM
An article on how to fuel your car safely
http://www.state.il.us/osfm/News/StopStatic.htm
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Saturn93
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2010 11:58:44 PM
What ever happened to the Darwin Awards?
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granitestater
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2010 11:58:32 PM
Good thing this is a rare occurance. But it is still hard to believe it was static...
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dirt girl
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2010 11:50:46 PM
altonb1 and Soxxie95, Winters in DesMoines are colder than winters in PA and OH and I believe NakedDriver does pump gas barefoot all year long. :)
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Bubba44612
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2010 11:50:13 PM
Trying to put gas in an electric car, this is what you get.
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52MPG
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2010 11:49:09 PM
This drives home the fact that gasoline will burn.
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